Yes, well this has to be the biggest penalty that anyone has every witnessed in LFS yet, apart from hacking penalties. What you do not understand is that this was done under huge adrenaline in heat of the moment when you are down to your instincts.
I already explained how I found myself in the situation because of computer fps hickup and what I saw happening in an instant and how my deed was actually caring for everyone involved around me with all the years of experience and contact between cars and LAG in LFS! So again I do not understand why I am being excluded from NDR events for next half of the year on top of the race penalty. What is this going to help me to improve? None of the cars involved had been heavily damaged.
I have been penalized only at round one with a DT for one incident for which I sportingly gave the place back during the race, before the penalty was issued to me. So, the season has been going for a very long time and I've personalty driven many hours obviously sportingly and cleanly. I haven't been on any probation or any sort of thing like this. I just don't see it. I would like to say, yes I am going to serve my penalty without a problem, but I need to know what is the reason for this penalty to be so harsh when I do not have a history of reckless driving, I wasn't under probation, nor was this done on purpose in which case it would be a different thing.
I would appreciate administration answering this, rather than trolls.
I already explained how I found myself in the situation because of computer fps hickup and what I saw happening in an instant and how my deed was actually caring for everyone involved around me with all the years of experience and contact between cars and LAG in LFS! So again I do not understand why I am being excluded from NDR events for next half of the year on top of the race penalty. What is this going to help me to improve? None of the cars involved had been heavily damaged.
I have been penalized only at round one with a DT for one incident for which I sportingly gave the place back during the race, before the penalty was issued to me. So, the season has been going for a very long time and I've personalty driven many hours obviously sportingly and cleanly. I haven't been on any probation or any sort of thing like this. I just don't see it. I would like to say, yes I am going to serve my penalty without a problem, but I need to know what is the reason for this penalty to be so harsh when I do not have a history of reckless driving, I wasn't under probation, nor was this done on purpose in which case it would be a different thing.
I would appreciate administration answering this, rather than trolls.
Impressive Loeb, even in close racing. Makes me wanna watch this series regularly. 
Edit: Just a thought. How amazing it would be to have Schumacher here against Loeb. Surely, he would perform with the car, a clash of titans, oh wet dreams.
Edit: Just a thought. How amazing it would be to have Schumacher here against Loeb. Surely, he would perform with the car, a clash of titans, oh wet dreams.
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Hm. I don't see much of a point in overdoing a class either. I'd much rather love you to come back with Super GT, not rly endu, as opposed to GT2WS and/or TBO.
Yea. Still, no point arguing against it if someone made his mind up. However, this tool will help only very few people in that direction is what I see who were already intending that way. For everyone else it just makes it that little bit easier. Personally, I am in favor of 1 on 1 challenge more rather than something we saw in F1 2012 first 8 races, as I grew up with everlasting Schumacher vs Hakkinen battle. So, as long as I have a decent opponent I have a reason to enjoy LFS, since there are so many cars to master (gtr is not everything) unless I suddenly stumble upon a huge amount of money to pay me 'infinite' subscriptions iRacing requires and help me buy a new hardware.
No. What makes you think that. : oLMAO Joonas.
Well, ok Joonas. I'd wonder if that means that you pinky Joonas, with pink J will never go to army, if this was place to chit-chat, but I guess we better leave that to when we meet on server to pass the time as we'll have sets ready from a 3rd person, oh wait, I think I prefer my own setups.
You don't have to explain it to me PMD. It's just unfortunate the best of you guys are going to mandatory army. No shame in that. I just don't get it why your teammates blamed devs which then made it on-topic.... Still, yea racing in single driver events you're welcome from me, as I actually enjoy those myself more, even when the team I am in is at the peak for endu racing.
Don't worry. There are a little bit bigger TBO races now. We're set to have TBO racing available throughout the whole of 2013, provided by GenR and Realistic Nascar in Autumn. And for little races you can always join public server.
Let's have a look at this from a little bit more grounded perspective.
Hold your horses there ineX. With your 'unfortunate situation within the team' I'm rather sure that this final straw/nail is there just for someone else to take blame for your demise from LFS.
Have some decency for devs and do it properly with bug reports, as you had done and should have stopped there, rather than this ridiculous finger pointing which might make it look like OMG they're the only one to blame for this tool and this tool is the only one to blame for us leaving, which couldn't be further from what's going on here.
Yeah. Because of this, tool like this is actually a good thing I would dare to say, since obviously the future is changing with this. 30 hours of work for a race is just beyond me. Maybe I've done it few times myself, but some people seam to be doing this for every race and then wonder wth happened to their motivation. Maybe this tool will not only prevent this ridiculous addictive amount of training, but also make it possible for everyone to find time to race more leagues around. Which would be a very good thing I guess.
Most people train on hidden servers for a long time before this tool, just to hide their 'ultimate' pace and keep everyone else in the dark then come and take it by the storm and eventually only one manages to do it, over and over agian, always one team. I'm a believer in something that leaves your opponent a chance, which equals the game and let's the better man overall win.
For this I have been sharing my setups willingly on setupgrid.net which I helped create, together with finding material for setup help as well, willingly. But, noone else seemed to follow this trend. Noone else thought that once the race is over others should know about your race, should be allowed to learn from your race, catch up with you, at least after the race, at least thru the setups. Once I saw my work is not being appreciated, I simply stopped sharing setups. Well, well, well, I guess now everyone is simply forced to share their setups after the race, by the simple virtue of existance of this tool and it's availability for everyone and we shall never see again a team have an advantage in terms of ineX advantage in this current season.
Just look at the F1 for example. Every time a team goes and makes exploits of whatever out there, rules are changed to give a chance to everyone else, if they don't willingly do it themselves. Only team every to give away their propertly was Lotus back in 79 iirc when they figured out ground effect and once they saw they're a league or two ahead of everyone else, it's not fun to compete anymore! They gave others a chance. They didn't quit, or blame anyone and they're remembered for that in a very very good light, at least for me.
Hold your horses there ineX. With your 'unfortunate situation within the team' I'm rather sure that this final straw/nail is there just for someone else to take blame for your demise from LFS.
Have some decency for devs and do it properly with bug reports, as you had done and should have stopped there, rather than this ridiculous finger pointing which might make it look like OMG they're the only one to blame for this tool and this tool is the only one to blame for us leaving, which couldn't be further from what's going on here.
Yeah. Because of this, tool like this is actually a good thing I would dare to say, since obviously the future is changing with this. 30 hours of work for a race is just beyond me. Maybe I've done it few times myself, but some people seam to be doing this for every race and then wonder wth happened to their motivation. Maybe this tool will not only prevent this ridiculous addictive amount of training, but also make it possible for everyone to find time to race more leagues around. Which would be a very good thing I guess.
Most people train on hidden servers for a long time before this tool, just to hide their 'ultimate' pace and keep everyone else in the dark then come and take it by the storm and eventually only one manages to do it, over and over agian, always one team. I'm a believer in something that leaves your opponent a chance, which equals the game and let's the better man overall win.
For this I have been sharing my setups willingly on setupgrid.net which I helped create, together with finding material for setup help as well, willingly. But, noone else seemed to follow this trend. Noone else thought that once the race is over others should know about your race, should be allowed to learn from your race, catch up with you, at least after the race, at least thru the setups. Once I saw my work is not being appreciated, I simply stopped sharing setups. Well, well, well, I guess now everyone is simply forced to share their setups after the race, by the simple virtue of existance of this tool and it's availability for everyone and we shall never see again a team have an advantage in terms of ineX advantage in this current season.
Just look at the F1 for example. Every time a team goes and makes exploits of whatever out there, rules are changed to give a chance to everyone else, if they don't willingly do it themselves. Only team every to give away their propertly was Lotus back in 79 iirc when they figured out ground effect and once they saw they're a league or two ahead of everyone else, it's not fun to compete anymore! They gave others a chance. They didn't quit, or blame anyone and they're remembered for that in a very very good light, at least for me.
Reno : Nah it's just what you think, so stop trying to force ur corrupt views.
I said race was for fun and I used it just to have a chance at competing with YoRap dude. He didn't mind it. Hats down for his speed with h shifter, though I'm quite sure he is more interested in simply the techniques of h shifting rather than it's gains or disadvantages. Whilst I'm more interested in a good dice. We both got what we wanted, which is only what matters in the end. I guess that's enough on topic for you Rony.
I said race was for fun and I used it just to have a chance at competing with YoRap dude. He didn't mind it. Hats down for his speed with h shifter, though I'm quite sure he is more interested in simply the techniques of h shifting rather than it's gains or disadvantages. Whilst I'm more interested in a good dice. We both got what we wanted, which is only what matters in the end. I guess that's enough on topic for you Rony.
Nah. It has nothing to do with beating YoRap for me. If the track had proper amount of corners, perhaps linked one to another I wouldn't need it to be competitive and this event is not all that serious anyway, meaning I had very minimal amount of training.
http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=h ... ;country=&controller=
Besides, you're noone to talk about this. As if heated tire wasn't enough and a huge amount of corners, you needed a button clutch too.
http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=h ... ;country=&controller=
Besides, you're noone to talk about this. As if heated tire wasn't enough and a huge amount of corners, you needed a button clutch too.
Yeah I was using Button Clutch that race since I felt it was fair to have a manual clutch in a race where there are only 3 corners and 3 straights versus YoRap who is hugely experienced with manual clutch and the car as an opposition. Sma, also excellent driver in XRG was joking we need BC against him and I'm not sure if he did or didn't use it in the end, but still it certainly made for a more interesting race as opposed to YoRap simply clutching it away.
I saw no hard feelings about this from anyone, the rules haven't forbidden it. I have a nice justification, so I'm not quite sure what are you trying to achieve here.
And maybe it would be much nicer if you would take the game on and come down race with us instead of finger pointing with something you weren't even involved with.
I saw no hard feelings about this from anyone, the rules haven't forbidden it. I have a nice justification, so I'm not quite sure what are you trying to achieve here.
And maybe it would be much nicer if you would take the game on and come down race with us instead of finger pointing with something you weren't even involved with.
http://www.planetf1.com/driver ... d-more-power-than-Webber-
Maybe they even staged the whole thing knowing Vettel very well from deep within for whatever reason.
Maybe they even staged the whole thing knowing Vettel very well from deep within for whatever reason.
Yea I loved it too. I usually am like omg boring after few shots, but there was something in this video. Excellent. :smash3d:
Wasn't Newey who designed them Mika Hakkinen's championship cars?
On the other topic : Ferrari's strategy team just keeps on undermining themselves. I feel nostalgic of Brawn/Ferrari days just thinking of this.
There are good analysis how many points they lost last year playing it too safe at times (Monaco most noted race iirc or it was two years ago...) Anyway, reading this interviews two stops in 5 laps is a little bit too much of a punishment.
What sort of reasoning is that. Gosh, it makes it sound as if they weren't even bold to stay out than rather just plain frustration. A stop costs, what 30ish second with the nose change, say Alonso would drive 10-20sec quicker race than Massa and how easy DRS overtakes are on that track and traffic hold ups which shows Alonso would have been right in the Kimi/Hulkenberg fight and watching at the points, Kimi is as much as in class a of title rivals so far.
And honestly, why don't this teams in F1 test out scenarios such as this in secret and find out for themselves where the risk limit is. They're running on millions budgets on tens of years of experience and obviously they can see that matter a fact most of the racing isn't done in perfect conditions.
I do believe it was the team who made this mistake of not being clear enough to Alonso that he must pit in their attitude to collect every point available such as Alonso's attitude is. Perhaps Ferrari needs to make a very deep and thrower analysis of new tires/wings/fuel/drs data collected over past years and make new standards in strategy. Make sure that when they play bold it's just a normal thing for them and when they play safe it's the only thing they can do, rather than having reasoning controlled by satisfaction of current position or frustration with current position.
There are good analysis how many points they lost last year playing it too safe at times (Monaco most noted race iirc or it was two years ago...) Anyway, reading this interviews two stops in 5 laps is a little bit too much of a punishment.
What sort of reasoning is that. Gosh, it makes it sound as if they weren't even bold to stay out than rather just plain frustration. A stop costs, what 30ish second with the nose change, say Alonso would drive 10-20sec quicker race than Massa and how easy DRS overtakes are on that track and traffic hold ups which shows Alonso would have been right in the Kimi/Hulkenberg fight and watching at the points, Kimi is as much as in class a of title rivals so far.
And honestly, why don't this teams in F1 test out scenarios such as this in secret and find out for themselves where the risk limit is. They're running on millions budgets on tens of years of experience and obviously they can see that matter a fact most of the racing isn't done in perfect conditions.
I do believe it was the team who made this mistake of not being clear enough to Alonso that he must pit in their attitude to collect every point available such as Alonso's attitude is. Perhaps Ferrari needs to make a very deep and thrower analysis of new tires/wings/fuel/drs data collected over past years and make new standards in strategy. Make sure that when they play bold it's just a normal thing for them and when they play safe it's the only thing they can do, rather than having reasoning controlled by satisfaction of current position or frustration with current position.
Nah. This things stay with fans, forever. Perhaps a nice way to look at it in LFS terms is our bl1 tbo race where I barely raced you and gave away 25 points, which in the end didn't mean nothing to me anyway, other than that I didn't cause a crash with you, who are not even my teammate. And Vettel is already plenty hated enough.
P.S. OMG Look at the title on autosport column "Vettel: the monster Red Bull created" << exactly what I thought and to some extent implied in previous posts, and it's not the sort of cool monster we joke around as some kids.
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You don't seam very well edjucated in race strategies. You've forgot that Webber was 4-5sec ahead before pitstop/engine. It wasn't a fair fight. Try fighting someone stronger with 1 hand tied on your back, surely not gonna work out for you. It's admirable that he didn't shub Vettel of the road in that T3 pass considering the whole situation!
Oh god, Webber is shooting his own foot. Massive facepalm.
Rappa Z: I think it's not just about one race or one championship. Winning has to stand for something. For what I can see is that Newey is more upset with all this than Horner and we can pretty much expect cars from RedBull suiting Webbers style more now which then shows that he isn't all that average and that Vettel just ren shit out of luck, until all this kefaffle settles down, which is like half a year away. 
This will perhaps start a friction between Vettel and RedBull that will develop over time, echo Hamilton and McLaren, only for many different reasons.
I'm with John Watson on that one. In fact I was thinking back to Williams thru the 90's and how many different champions they had because the car was so great and we always remember the great period of that car.
Which instantly suggests that Vettel didn't only steal the victory from Webber (He would have never got past in normal circumstances, because Webber had a solid gap and could see him coming from a mile up), but is trying to steal the fame and the glory from the team all for himself as if he is the only and key role to their project, which couldn't be further from the truth as RedBull guided and built him all thru his career long before F1 and just knowing that makes an easy conclusion that there is at least as much credit to RedBull's driver development program rather than Vettel's immense talent if not more.
If RedBull wants to stay on top of the things as a team that takes credit for this development which then makes a great athlete I can see no other way for them, but to make some big sanctions for Vettel.
An apology for something that he timed to perfection with pitstops and sudden gap closure and knowledge that race will be called off right at that point and that there won't be much time to argue in cockpit if he's right there in that moment and that Webber will be cought completely by surprise, I mean you just can't do this many things unintentionally, just doesn't do. It also shows how stupid of Rosberg was not to hold on for a single corner to make the pass stick.
The whole situation is perverse because RedBull never wanted to be having this. However, they are there right now and they have to react, because as many said RedBull will talk, but Vettel won't listen. It's also hugely embarrassing for Vettel to be sanctioned by the team after winning three world championship titles, so if RedBull does that it's yet another milestone.
What I think will happen is a series of silent things. Little mishaps with the cars and pitstops reliability will start to happen to Vettel rather than Webber unlike in previous years as a turn of trust between the team and the drivers. Many champions thru the history have shown that it's stupid to believe the speed is everything in motorsports and I think we're onto see this happen again, strategy is the key. Webber now finally has the edge inside the team and I'm very excited about that fact, since obviously RedBull is miles ahead of anyone! this year again, aka 2011 repeat and it's between their two drivers, nothing else.
Keep it honest Mark.
I'm with John Watson on that one. In fact I was thinking back to Williams thru the 90's and how many different champions they had because the car was so great and we always remember the great period of that car.
Which instantly suggests that Vettel didn't only steal the victory from Webber (He would have never got past in normal circumstances, because Webber had a solid gap and could see him coming from a mile up), but is trying to steal the fame and the glory from the team all for himself as if he is the only and key role to their project, which couldn't be further from the truth as RedBull guided and built him all thru his career long before F1 and just knowing that makes an easy conclusion that there is at least as much credit to RedBull's driver development program rather than Vettel's immense talent if not more.
If RedBull wants to stay on top of the things as a team that takes credit for this development which then makes a great athlete I can see no other way for them, but to make some big sanctions for Vettel.
An apology for something that he timed to perfection with pitstops and sudden gap closure and knowledge that race will be called off right at that point and that there won't be much time to argue in cockpit if he's right there in that moment and that Webber will be cought completely by surprise, I mean you just can't do this many things unintentionally, just doesn't do. It also shows how stupid of Rosberg was not to hold on for a single corner to make the pass stick.
The whole situation is perverse because RedBull never wanted to be having this. However, they are there right now and they have to react, because as many said RedBull will talk, but Vettel won't listen. It's also hugely embarrassing for Vettel to be sanctioned by the team after winning three world championship titles, so if RedBull does that it's yet another milestone.
What I think will happen is a series of silent things. Little mishaps with the cars and pitstops reliability will start to happen to Vettel rather than Webber unlike in previous years as a turn of trust between the team and the drivers. Many champions thru the history have shown that it's stupid to believe the speed is everything in motorsports and I think we're onto see this happen again, strategy is the key. Webber now finally has the edge inside the team and I'm very excited about that fact, since obviously RedBull is miles ahead of anyone! this year again, aka 2011 repeat and it's between their two drivers, nothing else.
Keep it honest Mark.
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